March 08, 2010
Crash Course: Chapter 17c – Energy and the Economy by Chris Martenson
Posted by: andrew99 : Category: Energy
Chapter 17c – Energy and the Economy: What if our exponentially-based economic and monetary systems are really just an artifact of oil? What if all of our rich societal complexity and all of our trillions of dollars of wealth and debt simply are the human expression of surplus energy pumped from the ground? In this chapter, Dr. Chris Martenson predicts what will happen when economic, population, and energy growth reach their natural limits. www.chrismartenson.com
March 8th, 2010 at 8:16 am
I don’t know why this comment has been “thumbed down”, its entirely true! The Dollar only has power because we continue to BELIEVE in it! stop the belief now and we can change the entire system! we just need every person to do so… …good luck…
March 8th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Preserving the status quo means preserving the problem. Thus ensuring the destruction of the status quo. What alternatives are there?
What is the problem that is embedded in the certain to self destruct status quo? If you know the all too obvious problem that is hidden in plain sight you will readily see the Ultimate Solution.
March 8th, 2010 at 8:39 am
“Naturally the common people dont want war. But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and its always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.” — Hermann Goering, Hitler’s man.
March 8th, 2010 at 9:01 am
The privately owned Federal Reserve central bank was created in 1913. The UK already had a central bank for over a hundred years. It was not a coincidence that the Federal Reserve was created a couple decades after the oil drilling business was created.
Governments and the wars they create are the most profitable ventures for international bankers loaning money they create out of thin air. Almost as profitable as the military industrial complex corporations they own or control.
March 8th, 2010 at 9:04 am
food for thought, if we were willing to shed our bodies and go down to brains, we could artificially simulate infinite wealth while consuming not a single percent more than is necessary for survival, making the true population cap somewhere around 200billion, with dedicated world wide effort i bet we could be out of our bodies in less than a decade
March 8th, 2010 at 9:52 am
“When women dress like men and trousers wear, and cut off all their locks of hair, When pictures look alive with movements free, When ships like fishes swim beneath the sea. When men outstripping birds can soar the sky, Then half the world, deep drenched in blood, shall die….” -Mother Shipton
March 8th, 2010 at 10:30 am
War will come soon, and most humans will die. Likely us included.
March 8th, 2010 at 10:48 am
its obvious that there’s overpopulation.
we’ve based our consumption patterns in order to that easy oil.
now it will adjust by force, the last financial crisis, irak, global warming and that kind of stuff together have a LOT of sense.
population will adjust just like prices, i think that there will be two worlds..one advanced, mantaining this consumption and a whoole one living like the prehistoryc age, in total anarchy or almost.
darwin’s,marx and smith theories at the same time!!!!!!
March 8th, 2010 at 11:42 am
@nicholeddy29 if absolutely nothing is done the excess population will die. Thats 5billion. This is of course not so realistic becasue some things will be done. You can see it like this: if not much is done , people who rely on oil and economics will die.
It can also be that there will come war (america vs china/russia) I dont know where europe would stand on this.
Lets just hope that the people wake up and start investing in green energy, local foods and stop wasting energy.
March 8th, 2010 at 11:50 am
The only help god will give you is psychological comfort. One needs to place ones work and or faith in practical proven solutions to the problems that may be causing the psychological discomfort you may be feeling now, or may be feeling later.
March 8th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
We’ll see how much trust everyone has in god when they’re starving to death. The earth needs to cleanse itself of the human parasite.
March 8th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Chris, don’t thrust in God. Thrust logical reasoning.
March 8th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
what about in the last three years we have found 100 years of natual gas inthe baca oil field so in brazil and america the north part of america we have 3 hundred years of energy also nuclear energy if we were to power our factorys houses an use natual gas an oil and trust in GOD we need to start depending on GOD so our kids stop killing each other an put GOD back in our lives an stop borrowing GOD will start blessing us again
March 8th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
This chapter is my favorite. It shows the real connection between societies and energy. I have a feeling that is civilization does collapse, when it makes it’s comeback energy research will be all vital.
March 8th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Excellent work yet again Chris. Thank you for delivering!
March 8th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
logical assumptions…good part
March 8th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
The main point in ur view is the current rate of consumption. But, since consumption is artificially inflated as well, (just think of adverts, salesmen, too big meals at fast food places, making unnecessary products like fizzy drinks and orange juice etc. and keeping in mind that we do not use our technology to the maximum. 26 billion could be done, but you know, I agree it is not sustainable, at least not with the mentality and dumbed down society. A new generation might be able to pull it off
March 8th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
what in the world is going to happen to the homeless and really poor people, what? are they going to die? from hunger?
March 8th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Brilliant video! thx man
March 8th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
yep, we aren’t letting go of iraq any time soon…
March 8th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
The only reason why there is scarcity is because of the corrupt monetary system we are living under. Do away that system and with the technology that we have today, there is enough resouces for every human being. Right now, only a few people are consuming and wasting most of the resouces being produced. Selfishness and greed is the problem.
March 8th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Now, if people are willing to drastically reduce their standards of living, our current population has a small chance of being sustainable, but in a post-fossil fuel world, we would need to divert nearly all of the harvested wind a solar energy to the production and transportation of food resources.
Keep in mind there are people who study these scenarios for a living, and are very good at it, and most of them disagree with your opinion about resource allocation. Money is not the only problem.
March 8th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
I agree that huge class disparity is a huge problem, causing much of the world’s suffering, but you are showing a lack of understanding of basic physical principles when you say we can support 26 billion people on this planet.
Depending on how interested you are in this, take some time and run some numbers in Matlab, just using some simple resource allocation models. You find very quickly that at our current rate of consumption, we are already beyond a sustainable capacity.
March 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Also, there is enough solar and geothermal energy to provide for all of our energy needs. We need to stop using fossil fuels as they pollute the environment and hold us as slaves to the oil companies that are owned by the criminal bankers.
March 8th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
No, we have the technology and there is currently no limit on the resources that we need to survive. You could add another 20 billion people on this planet, and you would still enough resources. The problem is that there is a tremendous waste of resources that helps create artificial scarcity. Money allocation, where a few people have billions of dollars that they didn’t work for, is causing much suffering in the world. Selfishness and greed is a problem.